Comments on: Are you a Programmer or a Coder? http://brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/ Brajeshwar believes in simplicity; pushes the envelop and envisions the betterment of usable and practical solutions. Tue, 15 May 2012 16:44:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Gautam Somani http://brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-32074 Gautam Somani Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:39:00 +0000 http://www.brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-32074 I dont agree with you. There is a vast difference between a programmer and a coder, something which I myself (a system admin) have seen in the small IT company (around 40 IT staff) in which I work. We have just 3 to 4 people who actually discuss, decide, test, evaluate the logic of the program, and then they explain it to mere coders working under them, who will first try to use their mind to get it done, but will definitely fail and will then google to get a code, and then copy-paste it and tweak it according to their needs. And this is happening in many small IT companies across India. Not sure of the rest of the world. These self-proclaimed software engineers don't try to use their brains at all. In fact even in their graduation of software engineering, they had never studied the subjects thoroughly. They just mugged up things a month before exam, and write the answers. Never did they even read the reference books on subjects completely even once. As for the example of Sabeer Bhatia: just quoting one guy out of more than millions of IT people is not at all justified. It just cannot mean that everyone else is also equally brainy, intelligent, or a logic builder. NOPE. Not at all. I know coders, with whom I have worked on projects, who know nothing of logics and algorithms or new advances in software designing concepts, and yet they do get hired by big MNCs. And they want the MNCs for the same reason the author has stated. Good Salary, which means Good Life and a chance to marry a Good and beautiful girl. And that is what their families want to. And the root of the problem is the education system, which has been heavily commercialized. The colleges and universities just enroll students to get money (fees) from them. They don't care how good the professors and lecturer are. They don't even care about the attendance of students. Students come, they bunk in class, the attend some, they mug the answers, they try some coding, they pass the exams, they give interviews and that it. Even the companies who hire them know this, and hence they pay the the real programmers more. Lot more that the coders get. And even after getting hired, these coders just wait for years to pass and for the normal promotions to come and to finally get into management. After all, after working as a coder for 8 to 12 years, anyone would learn enough to lead a team or manage a project. And Yes! Like the author said in the end, there are some who want to do some real coding. Real programming. But again, there lack of skills and knowledge hamper that thinking too. Some of them do manage to relearn the basic skills and kinda restart their coding life, but rest, they just think and dream. I dont agree with you. There is a vast difference between a programmer and a coder, something which I myself (a system admin) have seen in the small IT company (around 40 IT staff) in which I work.

We have just 3 to 4 people who actually discuss, decide, test, evaluate the logic of the program, and then they explain it to mere coders working under them, who will first try to use their mind to get it done, but will definitely fail and will then google to get a code, and then copy-paste it and tweak it according to their needs.

And this is happening in many small IT companies across India. Not sure of the rest of the world. These self-proclaimed software engineers don't try to use their brains at all. In fact even in their graduation of software engineering, they had never studied the subjects thoroughly. They just mugged up things a month before exam, and write the answers. Never did they even read the reference books on subjects completely even once.

As for the example of Sabeer Bhatia: just quoting one guy out of more than millions of IT people is not at all justified. It just cannot mean that everyone else is also equally brainy, intelligent, or a logic builder. NOPE. Not at all.

I know coders, with whom I have worked on projects, who know nothing of logics and algorithms or new advances in software designing concepts, and yet they do get hired by big MNCs. And they want the MNCs for the same reason the author has stated. Good Salary, which means Good Life and a chance to marry a Good and beautiful girl. And that is what their families want to.

And the root of the problem is the education system, which has been heavily commercialized. The colleges and universities just enroll students to get money (fees) from them. They don't care how good the professors and lecturer are. They don't even care about the attendance of students. Students come, they bunk in class, the attend some, they mug the answers, they try some coding, they pass the exams, they give interviews and that it.

Even the companies who hire them know this, and hence they pay the the real programmers more. Lot more that the coders get. And even after getting hired, these coders just wait for years to pass and for the normal promotions to come and to finally get into management. After all, after working as a coder for 8 to 12 years, anyone would learn enough to lead a team or manage a project.

And Yes! Like the author said in the end, there are some who want to do some real coding. Real programming. But again, there lack of skills and knowledge hamper that thinking too. Some of them do manage to relearn the basic skills and kinda restart their coding life, but rest, they just think and dream.

]]> By: abc http://brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-32073 abc Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:54:00 +0000 http://www.brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-32073 Is this also another reason that, IIT graduates have consciously shunned India’s best known companies like Infosys and TCS, though they are offered very attractive salaries? --- This is not true; In IITs, for Computer Science students the salaries offered by MNCs (and many other companies)  are significantly higher than what is offered by Infosys and TCS. Is this also another reason that, IIT graduates have consciously shunned India’s best known companies like Infosys and TCS, though they are offered very attractive salaries? --- This is not true; In IITs, for Computer Science students the salaries offered by MNCs (and many other companies)  are significantly higher than what is offered by Infosys and TCS.

]]> By: Jherch77 http://brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-31596 Jherch77 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:53:00 +0000 http://www.brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-31596 Do you even know where the term Third World Country comes from? Why do people insist on using that term to mean 'poor or undeveloped countries'. Do you even know where the term Third World Country comes from? Why do people insist on using that term to mean 'poor or undeveloped countries'.

]]> By: Anonymous http://brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-31261 Anonymous Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:35:00 +0000 http://www.brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-31261 Coders and programmers are secondary to true software engineers. http://www.fastcompany.com/node/28121/print Coders and programmers are secondary to true software engineers.

http://www.fastcompany.com/node/28121/print

]]> By: Hamilton R. Amorim (O Algorista) http://brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-26650 Hamilton R. Amorim (O Algorista) Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:53:04 +0000 http://www.brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-26650 This article is only a great effort to create a huge apartheid between TI workers. Technology have a hungry for new jargon, and those words (coder, programmer, developer) are only a reflex of this fact. This article is only a great effort to create a huge apartheid between TI workers. Technology have a hungry for new jargon, and those words (coder, programmer, developer) are only a reflex of this fact.

]]> By: Hamilton R. Amorim (O Algorist http://brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-28929 Hamilton R. Amorim (O Algorist Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:53:00 +0000 http://www.brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-28929 This article is only a great effort to create a huge apartheid between TI workers. Technology have a hungry for new jargon, and those words (coder, programmer, developer) are only a reflex of this fact. This article is only a great effort to create a huge apartheid between TI workers. Technology have a hungry for new jargon, and those words (coder, programmer, developer) are only a reflex of this fact.

]]> By: DELL http://brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-26475 DELL Wed, 26 May 2010 16:40:13 +0000 http://www.brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-26475 Luke :) send ur project to me. Don't be upset. Luke :)

send ur project to me. Don't be upset.

]]> By: DELL http://brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-28928 DELL Wed, 26 May 2010 16:40:00 +0000 http://www.brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-28928 Luke :) send ur project to me. Don't be upset. Luke :)

send ur project to me. Don't be upset.

]]> By: luke http://brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-26470 luke Wed, 26 May 2010 01:47:22 +0000 http://www.brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-26470 I have found that Indian coders are like an ant lost in the carpet, they simply can't find the way out! Even after step by step instructions of what is required they simply can't understand the concepts. Babysitting this type of programmer is needed and it is extremely time consuming and frustrating. They also will never admit that they don't understand what is required but the poor results always show their lack of conceptual thinking. I have found that Indian coders are like an ant lost in the carpet, they simply can't find the way out!

Even after step by step instructions of what is required they simply can't understand the concepts.

Babysitting this type of programmer is needed and it is extremely time consuming and frustrating. They also will never admit that they don't understand what is required but the poor results always show their lack of conceptual thinking.

]]> By: luke http://brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-28927 luke Wed, 26 May 2010 01:47:00 +0000 http://www.brajeshwar.com/2007/are-you-a-programmer-or-a-coder/#comment-28927 I have found that Indian coders are like an ant lost in the carpet, they simply can't find the way out! Even after step by step instructions of what is required they simply can't understand the concepts. Babysitting this type of programmer is needed and it is extremely time consuming and frustrating. They also will never admit that they don't understand what is required but the poor results always show their lack of conceptual thinking. I have found that Indian coders are like an ant lost in the carpet, they simply can't find the way out!

Even after step by step instructions of what is required they simply can't understand the concepts.

Babysitting this type of programmer is needed and it is extremely time consuming and frustrating. They also will never admit that they don't understand what is required but the poor results always show their lack of conceptual thinking.

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